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  Too Much Discontent in Congregation Part 1

  by Simon Templar in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i am seeing and hearing many, many long-time jws openly expressing problems with either the watchtower society itself, the publications, changing doctrine, incorrectly living their lives as a result of bad doctrine, the behavior of the boe and other related things.

  i will share some of these things in several posts, because there are just too many of them.

  the complaints that i hear from publishers and pioneers are many.

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  Answers to questions from Forum Members:

  All that has been told to me is at "The Local Level". I know Elders elsewhere that have issues with things, but none in my KH have said a word to me.

  Yes, the older Lady said the "F" bomb.

  More to come soon.
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  Too Much Discontent in Congregation Part 1

  by Simon Templar in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i am seeing and hearing many, many long-time jws openly expressing problems with either the watchtower society itself, the publications, changing doctrine, incorrectly living their lives as a result of bad doctrine, the behavior of the boe and other related things.

  i will share some of these things in several posts, because there are just too many of them.

  the complaints that i hear from publishers and pioneers are many.

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  Simon Templar

  I am seeing and hearing many, many long-time JWs openly expressing problems with either the Watchtower Society itself, the publications, changing doctrine, incorrectly living their lives as a result of bad doctrine, the behavior of the BOE and other related things. I will share some of these things in several posts, because there are just too many of them. The complaints that I hear from publishers and pioneers are many. Its best for me to relate them in pieces.

  Here's one:

  Yesterday afternoon after the meeting, a sister who is in the truth for about 65-70 years was chatting with me. Based on previous conversations that I have had with her, I said. "The Watchtower study that we just had was unusual. They were discussing that we should be lead by our trained conscience. Since when? They have been telling us what to do for years, and that they would tell us anything that we need to know, so don't worry about it." She replied, "I know. That study was so F*n boring. I could hardly stay awake. If we didn't do what they tild us to do, they'd throw us out." This woman is at least 75 years old. I couldn't believe her speech to me. Right in front if the KH. She could care less she is so angry with things.

  Here is another one:

  I am out in FS recently with a pioneer sister. We are going door-to-door. We have a very good personal relationship. We were just talking about things that came to mind. She mentioned by specific name several of the Elders, how she thinks that they are really unqualified and that through time, people dying, moving away, etc, we (everyone in the region) are left with bodies of Elders who really are unqualified, but appointed for inexplicable reasons. The result is that the meeting parts are not really good, the Sunday talks are blah or terrible, the Ministry School counsel is ridiculous in some cases, etc. Her main problem is that in the congregation and with the BOE specifically, no one cares about the "sheep" anymore. She doesn't feel appreciated for her efforts, or cared for personally anymore. She doesn't like the way things are, and she has started complaining about it.

  Where I live, it feels as if many active publishers and others are feeling discontent, to say the least, and can't hold it in any longer. The "Generation" is a biggy. I hear all kinds of complaint about that all the time.

  More on this subject in other posts in the future.
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  How to handle invites to dinner after Sunday meeting?

  by FadeToBlack in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have not been to a meeting for over a year.

  yesterday, when my wife returned from the 1 day assembly, i got an invite for dinner next sunday.

  i said i would think about it, to be honest, as nice as the people are, it would just be boring listening to their comments about everything jw.

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  What's the point? It sounds as if you are fading. I would look at the calendar in my mobile and say, "It looks as if I have something already committed at that time. I have to pass. Thanks for asking". Leave it at that.
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  If JWs Were More Tolerant Would It Help Their Money Woes?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  they don't want you bettering yourself.

  they hate college education.they applaud you if you quit full time secular work and instead, "pioneer".

  they cry that they have money problems.

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  They want everything. They don't want you educated so that you can be controlled. They want you poor and "needy". They want you to drink the cool-aid, quit your job, pioneer and be immersed in the program so you can be controlled. When they want/need money, they send out the call and know that there are enough members world-wide involved that they will get the donations that are required. This is a function of control.
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  Is there a Ministerial Servant Qualification Change?

  by Simon Templar in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it used to be that if an adult child (either a non-believer or disfellowshiped/disassociated) lived "under your roof" and lived by the "bible standards of the home", the father could be appointed either a ms or elder as the case may be.

  of course, if the adult child was a believer and a member of the congregation, they had to be exemplary.

  i overheard at the meeting yesterday, taking place in a side conversation held in the corner, that if this living condition exists, the father cannot be appointed because of the presence of the non-participating adult child in the home.

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  Steve2 it was a conversation between two Elders talking on the side. I was doing light cleaning. It was not from the platform.
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  Is there a Ministerial Servant Qualification Change?

  by Simon Templar in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it used to be that if an adult child (either a non-believer or disfellowshiped/disassociated) lived "under your roof" and lived by the "bible standards of the home", the father could be appointed either a ms or elder as the case may be.

  of course, if the adult child was a believer and a member of the congregation, they had to be exemplary.

  i overheard at the meeting yesterday, taking place in a side conversation held in the corner, that if this living condition exists, the father cannot be appointed because of the presence of the non-participating adult child in the home.

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  It used to be that if an adult child (either a non-believer or disfellowshiped/disassociated) lived "under your roof" and lived by the "bible standards of the home", the father could be appointed either a MS or elder as the case may be. Of course, if the adult child was a believer and a member of the congregation, they had to be exemplary. I overheard at the meeting yesterday, taking place in a side conversation held in the corner, that if this living condition exists, the father cannot be appointed because of the presence of the non-participating adult child in the home. I can't ask any questions to clarify this matter for obvious reasons. Has anyone heard anything similar? Is there a letter or some published information about this?
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  Just curious

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i remember that every time when my father and i came home from the meeting, my mother (who stayed at home for my disabled brother) asked us "who was attending and who wasn't attending".. and then, we took some time to drink coffee and went through the list who was there and who wasn't.

  there after there was an opinion made why someone was absent and what this meant in relation with his strength of believe.. just curious, do you recognize this?

  gorby.

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  It was, and still is done all the time. It is part of the learned self-righteousness. When I was a kid, I remember hearing from the platform that we should note who wasn't there and check on them to see if they are alright.
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  Did an EX-JW wake you up to TTATT or did you put the effort to wake up yourself?

  by John Aquila in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  how many of us were woken up by some apostate yelling false prophets at a convention?.

  how many of us were woken up by someone holding a sign and yelling, what happened to 1975.

  how many of us were coerced to investigate the wt because some ex-jw pulled up a bunch of old watchtowers magazines and told us to read the false predictions?.

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  I realized that something was wrong when 1) The CO was a thug. When he visited the congregation he cornered the sisters, picked up gossip and their ideas about who and what were wrong and then went on a spree investigating things (improperly) and persecuting the BOE. Not the way it was to be from the Watchtower/KM and assembly/convention talks I heard. 2) The BOE fought with one another, didn't follow the rules, manifested blatant incompetency, demonstrated so much wrong personally and organizationally that a little voice in my head said "what's going on here". I started researching things based on the conduct of the CO, BOE and a sister who yelled at me, gave me orders of what to do and wouldn't speak to me at the Meetings. The BOE did nothing about it. I realized something is "wrong with this picture" and it isn't me. Then I started researching things on the internet and hard copy. That was 10-12 years ago. I am still for various reasons that I wont go into now. In my view, they brought it on themselves.
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  Impressions of the Governing Body; who's smart, who ain't?

  by Room 215 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  based on what we've seen, it seems to me that of the seven, splane and jackson are the smartest; herd, lett and morris the least intelligent; and sanderson and losch somewhere in the middle.

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  what's your impression?.

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  They are all very "street smart" and able to read the politics of the organization at any given time. That's how they got where they are. Don't sell them short.
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  Overlapping generation pushed me to the brink

  by Anator in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello, i haven't posted for a number of years.

  i've been struggling for years of wrestling in my mind regarding the organization.

  i guess the big thing for me to push me over the edge is the generation overlapping thingy.

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  Its a problem for many. I have been in the truth since the 1950's. I lived through 1975, and numerous changes in doctrine/understandings through the years. Its a struggle for me and most of the people sitting at the meeting filling a chair. Don't feel alone. If you speak to a Brother about your concerns, they will tell you this is new light and the problem is with you. Hang in there.